Should the US Dalmatian club and AKC raise their bar to the level the Germans have, then they would have something to respond to my criticism of instead of pointless logical fallacies and personal attacks against me. I’d call it a discussion that you’ve managed to turn into an argument on your part, which is a shame because I just wanted to join in. In the case of the Dalmatian, the answer is NO. Research on rats found that albinos have more unmyelinated nerve fibers in the optic system compared to hooded rats (Lund, 1973). It is desire for purebred dogs of ANY kind that perpetuates the problems of that particular breed. Science. People were not purpose bred the way dogs are either. Baton Rouge, LA 70803 Yawn. Evidence for this comes from further findings in Dalmatians. Eg; It makes no sense to punish a dog for stealing, or vandalism, etc, the way we punish humans. If you don’t like Border Collie temperaments, fine, but if they are problematic, they are so because others have chosen those temperaments on purpose and justify them with their utility to those needs. Unfortunately, it needs to be said. Could the real reason for the failure to address this new knowledge be lost of individual power and respect? They rather cry over pugs which can’t breathe and aggressive Dals. Schultz, D. (1965). And their claim to fame outside the movie theatre is what? Physiol. No, what the real reason behind low survival rate is they stand out, they don’t blend in, their natural camouflage is gone, therefore the predators have the first part of their job done for them. Owners must supply a low purine diet, and lots of clean water. What makes me believe there is a modifiying factor. “Faktiska värden” is the actual values or result from each individual section. But mine were sweet dogs with a wonderful sense of canine humor. In fact, I listed BOTH unilateral and bilateral deafness from BOTH of his studies. Has it been clear sailing with Dallies from day one? If Dalmatian breeders wanted dogs that can hear, they’d give up the color. Matters can always be improved and if they do not get improved it still requires passion and knowledge to keep any dog breed balanced. As a female she’s less likely to suffer with crystals and all I have to do is make sure she gets lots of water and low purine food. They'll be glad you did. Using stories to support a theory is just sad. The fields “Signatur” is for user ID, and “Lösenord” is for password. FACT: White coloring is correlated and causal to deafness in dogs. Have you ever seen a Dalmatian? I guess Dalmatian breeders make that quite easy for you since we tend to be pretty open minded and PUBLISH our breeds shortcomings. 12W, look out. Harper et al. A defect in nurturing in mice lacking the immediate early gene fosB. This is absolute bullshit and you know it. So should not be a surprise that people do not know a Dal was a working dog. Cambridge Philos. I learned that I need to research more about what diet he needs and to be aware that he could get stones. If we take your suggestion that every Dal be bred to a LUA Dal, then the very next generation would all be LUA as one copy of the gene is enough. There are not particularly genetic (as in gene theory, more advanced allele analysis) involved. As far as AKC is concerned this has nothing to do with the health or welfare of the breed. YES http://www.schunikka.co.uk/welfarechallenges.php Cited Source. They have to be operated on. They are always attentive to your locations and even knew when someone was at the door. Louisiana State University I was agreeing with you that something needs to be done to widen the gene pool -but you still persisted in arguing with me! So what does it delete? Another FACT for those looking for real information is Sturvite and Urate Stones can be medically treated and managed with diet and medication. But I agree with your article. I doubt he’d protect me from a dang thing! To me, that shows greater intelligence. Winning is everything. Heinroth, 0. Owner of 6 lifetime Dalmatians, 4 foster-rescues, and trainer of 8 dogs and 19 pups – all Dalmatians, in the past 27 yrs. It does NOT result in disaster. Strain suggests that patches improve deafness rates. There’s no great fear that they are 1 generation away from being mongrels or 15 generations. After all, you’re the idiot who is making Appeals to Accomplishment instead of actually making sound arguments. I remember even in the early 80’s there were a fairly decent number around of the Gelderlander that weren’t F1 crosses but today its like finding dry land in the Netherlands, almost none existent and far worse for the Groninger. The majority of breeders test with BAER before they are 8-weeks old. Opin. The only web searches that come up with aggressive and co are .com (usually US) domains instead of .de or .co.uk. Honestly it boils down to the genetics and the dog itself, we just lost our sheep dog mix, she was the best, she was mainly white and had blue eyes, but she was gentle had the perfect temperament and was the smartest dog I have ever had the honor of owning, but she developed a malignant tumor in the lining of her urethra: she was a mix of old English sheepdog and border collie, again it boiled down to her genetics, she was one years old. Grandin T., Rooney, M. B., Phillips, M. Cambre, R. C., Irlbeck, N. A., and Graffam, W. (1995). The pups are secretly slipped off to rescue like contraband drugs. … And while there is the extant problem in Dalmatians that only one variant of piebald is allowed (must be extreme, no piebald is not allowed), there are dozens of breeds that have health issues which can be solved at no expense to their conformation standards. (1997). You need to look at attack rates on a per population basis. But that is not the case, so when I do it, I will have to do it on my own and hope that one day the registry will come around. Genotype and environment in the social interactions of wild and domestic “Norway” rats. That’s just because you didn’t bother to look around and find any one of DOZENS of other posts which discuss these issues for many other breeds. Sorry, I don’t CARE about the rest of your point. Breeder attitude is important. Even then, the odds of there being a disease gene is very low and even lower that it will ever be homozygous and weighed against the fully saturated HUA, the moral choice is clear. The Cattanach paper talks about “patches” although it’s in the same section as his discussion on the eyes, so I’m not sure if he means a patch over both the eye and ear, just ear, etc. We’ve seen just how quickly you can return a breed to type even with a drastic outcross (Boxer x Corgi). My girl is the most loving and gentle dog I’ve ever owned, is wonderful with children and the elderly, has no genetic health problems whatsoever. We can kill any puppy we want because fish eat their spawn. The American and Canadian Kennel Clubs started falling apart in 1990 when Mark Derr wrote “The Politics of Dogs” for the Atlantic Monthly. If you took more than 10 seconds to look around you could find my address and phone number. I guess In some circumstances creatures may instigate a smile if they feel uncomfortable about a situation, in an attempt to alleviate it; one could therefore surmise that smiling, in either sense of the word, it not an aggressive stance to take, as it would be seen as making attempts to avoid bad situations. What I will say is that what happened with the DCA and the backcross dogs with the back door politics that AKC used to install them in the stud book has opened a pandoras box that will allow any crackpot on a mission to circumvent the parent club and the majority of each and every parent club to do what they feel is right for their breed. And don’t bother to email me. And we have diversity at other places on the SLC2A9 gene as well: This study compared 689 gout patients with 10,330 healthy controls from Scotland, Germany and Croatia. Ekman describes many kinds of smiles, from the “felt” or true smile to the fear smile, the contempt smile, the dampened smile, the miserable smile, and a number of others.”, “Many biologists think the smile originated as a sign of fear. Guillery (1974) reports that many albino mammals have visual pathways with crossed connections to the brain. Sealyhams are as far as I know also extreme pied and some of them have completely unacceptable rage with it, its usually the completely white ones too. Not to mention other movies like Fluke (1995) and Air Bud with countless of releases and spinoffs. I again pleaded for her and at 15 had very little pull but managed to get a hold placed on any rash action. FCI Dalmatians are thus genetically just as susceptible to all the issues I raised here. It seems to me that it is a lot of effort spend for very little reward. Dalmatians belongs to a group of Canines that develops its white/cream coat from a gene combination in early genetic studies called Bb Ee and Beyond. He lost his credibility in the first 10 seconds. So you found a company that will charge you approximately 1000.$ to register approximately 20.000 Genes and then what? As if the LUA Dals are anti-preservation and anti-existence? Reading this has been bittersweet. I knew a breeder that had one, ONE, deaf puppy in 35 years of breeding. Their choices seemed to be based on current Fad and Fashion of current winner, or what was behind the lead instead of in front of it. It was a faulty statement because you pretty much said I was wrong to suggest all albino dobes are inbred. . Trust me if the Dalmatian was the way you described it, I would have changed the breed a long time ago. Outcrossing to known lines tested for relevant diseases has less risk of producing ‘disease’ than staying within your closed system where all dogs are homozygous for disease causing genes. There is that something I don’t know, spontaneous in much of their behaviour too which I think I honestly like a lot in this size package where it would be a nuisance with anything larger as I know myself after living with a pitbull. I corrected your misstatement, in part because allowing in the back cross dogs over traditionalists objections was a forward step for AKC. I never put them, as babies, near the dogs when I wasn’t hovering nearby. Dalmatians are willful and independent. The truth is, ANY breed could have temperament issues. Good thing her husband was a Plastic Surgeon because her dogs left their scars on children’s faces. Science 269, 1432-1435. You lay claim to Dalmatians having temperament problems, yet you own 4 of the one breed that is rebound for its bad temperaments! Doesn’t seem to me that they have any problems culling puppies. In albinos, the visual cortex is thinner (Lund, 1973). 8, 507-525. They have learned the reaction they get from humans is positive and it diffuses the situation. Please if you reply, refrain from making any personal attacks on me as a person. The arguments hold out if you like the presentation or not. For example, dairymen report that mostly white Holstein cows are more nervous and difficult to handle for milking compared to more pigmented cows. I seriously doubt you have a single moment of first hand experience with a real life dalmatian. I have an entire post on that. OMFG, what drugs are you on? That’s boldly meaningless. I have Aussies and am very familiar withwhat disease run in them and border collies. Nobody in Europe breeds from blue eyed Dalmatians and very, very few will occasionally use a unilaterally hearing one. Plus, lung cancer isn’t even a good analogy. Jess recently posted..Tazi, a Journey with the Afghan Hounds, Jess, thanks SO MUCH for addressing this elitist nonsense. The most nervous dogs I know of are probably Yorkshire terriers and greyhound/whippet types, and both exhibit their nerves in different ways. I’ve never put a ribbon on a Dalmatian, I’ve never owned one. There are though some cracker black and tans coming out of Ireland of both type, shorter and or otherwise. Blizard, D. A. Heck, they aren’t even in the top 5 breeds I’ve discussed concerning breeders abusing PIGMENT related disorders for shallow reasons. Big killers, such as cancer and tendency to be accident prone, are much harder to correct. The ones YOU own. And I brought up my inbreeding statement because you said “Suggesting that all albino dobes are inbred and that all originated from one source. I linked TWICE to relevant information that you’re welcome to read and source on your own time. So health testing is limited, not particularly on point yet in my breed. Utter rubbish. I have known several very fear aggressive Dalmatians. J. Physiol. Instead we had a small group say it was their way or the highway and so we have been stuck for 40 years and never shall the two groups meet.”. Behav. And what little brown school house did you flunk out of in the 4th grade? However, here we have whackjobs who advocate whales and primates should have the right to votes by granting them personhood. That’s why they are called A and B and not Poodle and Dachshund or something else. Have you ever wondered Why Dalmatians are the Traditional Firehouse Dogs? Vitart V et al. The others were all flaky, nervous, or downright dangerous. My Dals from my overly careful breeder lived to around 15: I had one make it to 17. And as far as I am concerned all dogs start out as potential good boys, and its up to us the owners and trainers to guide them. Only after decades of objection and some rather slanderous statements from the breed wardens: http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Pietoro/media/webjunk2/CHF_07_DalStones.jpg.html. Might they be frozen in fear of the impact on the “Legends of the Breeds’ Champions and Breeders” and current ones? At least now the back cross is available to those breeders who can get over their purity issues for the sake of the dogs. Squinting and being sensitive to the light does not equal vision problems in my opinion, it’s just light sensitivity, it isn’t cataracts. In “Livestock Handling and Transport” (T. Grandin, ed. Autoimmune thyroiditis (Optional) My segue posts sidetracked onto the issue of melanism and the eye. J. Mammal. It is ignorance that leads to these opinions, and education/experience regarding the breed can work wonders! I’m ripping your breed apart because it deserves it. Bringing these dogs back in doesn’t require the entire community to cast their vote and changing the rules, there’s an established process and it’s not prohibited. (1975). Dalmatians, as I documented above, which you need to re-read, clearly, have been shown via scientific study to have a 25-30% level of deafness: In 2003, Strain recorded 7.5% bilateral deafness and 18% unilateral deafness. Dalmatians are extreme piebald dogs with a modified tick pattern that we recognize as spots. Many of whom, sadly, do breed rescue. Blue eyed people (such as myself) even squint from the light, may have migraine sensitivities (which I do), and a myriad of other things, but this is just life and it’s not like I’m disabled from it.”. BTW, black labradors, flat coated retrievers, black and tan coonhounds, etc. In 12 litters that I have bred in 13 years there wasn’t a single aggressive dog about and I know many breeders that have similar out comings. Behavioral responses of periparturient sows and juvenile pigs to prostaglandin F2a. I like that they’re even using the Z list, the same thing that the American Cocker Spaniel club is using to keep merles out of the bloodlines, and it uses the same shoddy science to keep merles out of their ranks. And following that train of thought many people who have a dalmatian do not understand these dogs were bred to run along side carriages all day. White cats are often deaf, particularly if they have blue eyes (blue = lack of pigment). 400 $ and at the end of the day you would not know more than us Idiot’s that only test for one issue at the time but can at least be aware that the findings have a purpose and are accurate. How unique is the name Dalmatians? The white is a mask over the base color of black, liver (brown) or lemon (orange/tan). This page is a spellcheck for word dalmatian.All Which is Correct spellings and definitions, including "Dalmatian or Dalmatian" are based on official English dictionaries, which means you can browse our website with confidence!Common searches that lead to this page: how to spell dalmatian, correct spelling of dalmatian, how is dalmatian spelled, spell check dalmatian, how do you spell dalmatian. I’m not sure how the breeder in question could guarantee the hearing status of all of her puppies over decades. Jess recently posted..Tazi, a Journey with the Afghan Hounds. 5. Domestication of the Norway rat and its implications for the study of genetics of man. A remarkable relationship was found between asymmetrical spotted areas of fur and the preferred direction of circling in Variant-Waddler mice (Cools, 1972a,b). It might be acceptable in the cases of some questionable colors if there were one parent with a dominant gene that would result in all pups having a healthy color/pattern and if this could be tracked, but that would be more important for a breed where the unhealthy color or pattern has become far too common. It is IMPORTANT to show these people that what they do is not moral. What’s that based on and why is it even important? It’s not a coincidence that a breed so shallowly defined would have a disease gene 100% saturated so soon after the breed was formed. Anim. Dykman, R. A., Murphee, 0. Nottebohm, F. (1977). Cats form ammonium acid urate stones: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2857427/ In “Handbook of Behavioral Neurobiology” (M. Gazzaniza, ed.). It DOES work. (1963). I think you’re cruel to maintain breed purity (a dubious concept at best) by allowing 100% saturation of uric stone disease alleles to plague your breed. It’s tragic that Staffie people keep that myth going. This guy is a prime example and lets just be thankful he’s in a different breed. To do so is idiocy. And used him for stud! Sci. If you ever were in the Firehouse when the Alarm went off…the Dal would be the first to jump in the truck. They can be extremely dog and human aggressive. They have been unfairly put down by breeders and others that are ignorant of a dogs ability to adapt. The only counter-evidence to this claim would be (1) if there were Dalmatian breeders who wanted to preserve whatever else it means to be a Dalmatian but would accept more common coat colors in the breed and introduce those colors through outcrossing. Jess recently posted..Tazi, a Journey with the Afghan Hounds. As he approached a year old he began to become more pushy and dominant approaching other dogs very proudly and with tail held high i began to notice hackles being raised, when off the lead he would bomb up to other dogs stopping just short of mowing them and often their owner down and made a lot of growling but if the other dog was submissive then generally they would begin to play albeit roughly!. Why would they not want to eliminate blind, deaf and cripple dogs? Sorry, but in a very real sense all of your dogs go back to just one dog, and that the breed is defined around such a singular gene it is going to suffer because of that. Secondly, dark pigmentation, not the lack of, has been tied to animal aggression! as an experienced breeder and judge of Dalmatians who has lived in multiple European countries and now in the US I can assure you that the majority of Dalmatians have a very friendly disposition. Problem was the well behaved collies were well behaved because they were blind. Tinbergen, N. (1951). . The less melanin, the less protection. There used to be a belief that white hooves were less sturdy than black ones and that a horse with white hooves would perennially be coming up lame. It started when I was a wee little kid and saw 101 Dalmatians, but progressed so much more than that. All Dal’s need an incredible amount of excercise. Some can be a little aloof when meeting strangers. She loves playing and going for walks. And got a blind and deaf dog. No training command, no screaming or crying was stopping what I was watching take place. Fentress,J. Rates of deafness are lower in ear patched dogs (sorry, can’t find the reference, but also makes sense) and reportedly in those countries that allow patches. It is also the first time in the whole discussion that I feel that we are coming close to the REAL issue here! Is that enough mathy-sciencey-sort-of-qualifications for you? 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